Hardware Specs for WG2 Also Could use Manual

[nitromike2006]

Greetings All:

I have installed WG2 with ETL and AIO on an older IBM PS/2 that I obtained. The Machine has 16MB RAM in it and I am getting a running out of memory error when the BBS is started up. (I should also mention that I have a set of 6 packs that brings the total to 68 users). The assumption (and you know what happens when you assume) is that I need more than 16MB RAM to run the system. But I was wondering what the specs are. I am considering going ahead and maxing the box out at 64MB provided I can find the 2x36 8 MB Simms at a very reasonable cost. (Been looking online and finding about $20 per 16 mb or $80, which is more than I want to throw at this box -- after all it was FREE!

So, what are the actual hardware requirements for WG2?

Secondly, I understand that there may be a User Guide for WG2 in PDF form floating around someplace, if someone has it or can provide a link, I would be immensely appreciative of that!

Thanks for all the help you guys have given and with the stars aligned properly and a little luck, The Electronic Oblivion BBS will ride again in hopefully a couple of weeks.

To all a great day!

[dspain]

Greetings All:

I have installed WG2 with ETL and AIO on an older IBM PS/2 that I obtained. The Machine has 16MB RAM in it and I am getting a running out of memory error when the BBS is started up. (I should also mention that I have a set of 6 packs that brings the total to 68 users). The assumption (and you know what happens when you assume) is that I need more than 16MB RAM to run the system. But I was wondering what the specs are. I am considering going ahead and maxing the box out at 64MB provided I can find the 2x36 8 MB Simms at a very reasonable cost. (Been looking online and finding about $20 per 16 mb or $80, which is more than I want to throw at this box -- after all it was FREE!

So, what are the actual hardware requirements for WG2?

Secondly, I understand that there may be a User Guide for WG2 in PDF form floating around someplace, if someone has it or can provide a link, I would be immensely appreciative of that!

Thanks for all the help you guys have given and with the stars aligned properly and a little luck, The Electronic Oblivion BBS will ride again in hopefully a couple of weeks.

To all a great day!

Requires 486 or Pentium class PC, 8mb of Ram, and DOS 5 or higher.

someone is working on one i have a wg2 manual but its in paperbound format although i do have the mbbs ones in pdf the basic options are the same minus the client stuff.

[dspain]

Greetings All:

I have installed WG2 with ETL and AIO on an older IBM PS/2 that I obtained. The Machine has 16MB RAM in it and I am getting a running out of memory error when the BBS is started up. (I should also mention that I have a set of 6 packs that brings the total to 68 users). The assumption (and you know what happens when you assume) is that I need more than 16MB RAM to run the system. But I was wondering what the specs are. I am considering going ahead and maxing the box out at 64MB provided I can find the 2x36 8 MB Simms at a very reasonable cost. (Been looking online and finding about $20 per 16 mb or $80, which is more than I want to throw at this box -- after all it was FREE!

So, what are the actual hardware requirements for WG2?

Secondly, I understand that there may be a User Guide for WG2 in PDF form floating around someplace, if someone has it or can provide a link, I would be immensely appreciative of that!

Thanks for all the help you guys have given and with the stars aligned properly and a little luck, The Electronic Oblivion BBS will ride again in hopefully a couple of weeks.

To all a great day!

off topic a sec did you run eob.dyndns.org, an electronic oblivion bbs back in like 2000-2001?

[nitromike2006]

@despain: I ran The Electronic Oblivion BBS (Olathe, Kansas) from 1991- 1994. I still had one in 2000-today, but it is possible someone else named their BBS the same as mine I suppose. My board was originally on RemoteAccess.

The question then becomes on the memory error why would it tell there is not enough memory to run if there is 16 MB and it only requires 8 mb? The bbs reports 14MB available but pops up a big red box telling me that there is not enough memory. All that is on the box is WG2 and DOS 6.22 and the packet driver. Otherwise nothing in memory.

The machine is an IBM PS/2 Model 95 and is a 486DX2/66.

Now there is a mystery. The only real thing I have done to the BBS is add my 6 pack disk to give me my full 68 nodes. Now that disk was a WG1 gsbl.dll and the other one that Rick gave me a while back is for MBBS 6.25 -- do I need one for WG2 specifically -- I already asked Rick for that if I do, but I am not sure what would cause the memory error.

[dspain]

@despain: I ran The Electronic Oblivion BBS (Olathe, Kansas) from 1991- 1994. I still had one in 2000-today, but it is possible someone else named their BBS the same as mine I suppose. My board was originally on RemoteAccess.

The question then becomes on the memory error why would it tell there is not enough memory to run if there is 16 MB and it only requires 8 mb? The bbs reports 14MB available but pops up a big red box telling me that there is not enough memory. All that is on the box is WG2 and DOS 6.22 and the packet driver. Otherwise nothing in memory.

The machine is an IBM PS/2 Model 95 and is a 486DX2/66.

Now there is a mystery. The only real thing I have done to the BBS is add my 6 pack disk to give me my full 68 nodes. Now that disk was a WG1 gsbl.dll and the other one that Rick gave me a while back is for MBBS 6.25 -- do I need one for WG2 specifically -- I already asked Rick for that if I do, but I am not sure what would cause the memory error.

mbbs 6.25, wg1, wg2 all share the same common galgsbl.dll it can be passed between em.

try it with a default install using standard act code and try and get it up, if that works add your 6's and try again.

can you send me copies of autoexec.bat and config.sys?

[Gary Martin]

Mike, how many inbound lines do you have configured? You can't run 64 telnet in lines in the 16meg scheme. You won't see the mem used change until *after* it has successfully allocated the IP buffer space for them.

@despain: I ran The Electronic Oblivion BBS (Olathe, Kansas) from 1991- 1994. I still had one in 2000-today, but it is possible someone else named their BBS the same as mine I suppose. My board was originally on RemoteAccess.

The question then becomes on the memory error why would it tell there is not enough memory to run if there is 16 MB and it only requires 8 mb? The bbs reports 14MB available but pops up a big red box telling me that there is not enough memory. All that is on the box is WG2 and DOS 6.22 and the packet driver. Otherwise nothing in memory.

The machine is an IBM PS/2 Model 95 and is a 486DX2/66.

Now there is a mystery. The only real thing I have done to the BBS is add my 6 pack disk to give me my full 68 nodes. Now that disk was a WG1 gsbl.dll and the other one that Rick gave me a while back is for MBBS 6.25 -- do I need one for WG2 specifically -- I already asked Rick for that if I do, but I am not sure what would cause the memory error.

[nitromike2006]

@Gary Martin: Hi Gary! I have 2 configured right now and still get the memory error. I had dropped it to 8 initially. Am I missing when it allocates the space?

@despain: I can surely post the autoexec and config.sys but really they are plain fresh DOS 6.22 install.

From memory:

Config.sys contains only: (REM'd out DOS 6 Memory management)

Files = 127
Buffers = 90

Autoexec.bat

echo off
prompt $P$G
PATH= C:\DOS;C:\NC;C:\WGSERV;C:\utils (utils contains pkunzip.exe)
3c523 0x60

I can send the files later tonight when I get home, but this is the jist of them.

[nitromike2006]

@dspain: Here are the exact contents of the config.sys and autoexec.bat files on the ps/2

config.sys

FILES=127
BUFFERS=99
REM DEVICE=C:\DOS\SETVER.EXE
REM DEVICE=C:\DOS\HIMEM.SYS
REM DOS=HIGH

autoexec.bat

@ECHO OFF
REM C:\DOS\SMARTDRV.EXE /X
PROMPT $p$g
PATH C:\DOS;C:\UTIL;C:\NC
SET TEMP=C:\TEMP
3c523 0x60

that last line loads the packet driver.

The memory too low error is happening when it is initializing the galetl file.

I have 8 nodes of the 68 defined currently.

Hope that helps a bit on the problem.

[dspain]

@Gary Martin: Hi Gary! I have 2 configured right now and still get the memory error. I had dropped it to 8 initially. Am I missing when it allocates the space?

@despain: I can surely post the autoexec and config.sys but really they are plain fresh DOS 6.22 install.

From memory:

Config.sys contains only: (REM'd out DOS 6 Memory management)

Files = 127
Buffers = 90

Autoexec.bat

echo off
prompt $P$G
PATH= C:\DOS;C:\NC;C:\WGSERV;C:\utils (utils contains pkunzip.exe)
3c523 0x60

I can send the files later tonight when I get home, but this is the jist of them.

WGSERV also contains pkzip and pkunzip.
came with default WG installs to handle file compression utils for the client stuff.

[dspain]

@dspain: Here are the exact contents of the config.sys and autoexec.bat files on the ps/2

config.sys

FILES=127
BUFFERS=99
REM DEVICE=C:\DOS\SETVER.EXE
REM DEVICE=C:\DOS\HIMEM.SYS
REM DOS=HIGH

autoexec.bat

@ECHO OFF
REM C:\DOS\SMARTDRV.EXE /X
PROMPT $p$g
PATH C:\DOS;C:\UTIL;C:\NC
SET TEMP=C:\TEMP
3c523 0x60

that last line loads the packet driver.

The memory too low error is happening when it is initializing the galetl file.

I have 8 nodes of the 68 defined currently.

Hope that helps a bit on the problem.

from my WG2 test server this is what i run :

CONFIG.SYS
---------------

FILES=127
BUFFERS=50
STACKS=16,256

DEVICEHIGH=C:\WINDOWS\HIMEM.SYS


AUTOEXEC.BAT
------------------

@ECHO OFF
PATH=C:\WINDOWS\COMMAND;C:\WGSERV;C:\
call NIC.BAT


NIC.BAT
---------

CD\DOSNET
LH LSL.COM
LH 3C90X.COM
LH ODIPKT.COM
LH 3C90XPD.COM /I=0x69

been running the above setup for years and never experienced the memory problem one time.
possibly not enough free mem type MEM and see what largest executable can be.

another option which is something i did a while ago running dos 6.22 is install QEMM 7.0

[nitromike2006]

@despain: Thanks for that. I always thought that pharlap was a memory manager but I do in fact have QEMM lying around too. I'll give that a whirl.

[Gary Martin]

Here ya go, this is what I ran/run MBBS 6.25 under. Using Dos 6.22, 3COM packet driver, CDrom driver results in 589,600 free mem under 1m.

Config.sys=

DEVICE=C:\DOS\himem.sys /machine:8
DEVICE=C:\DOS\EMM386.EXE NOEMS
BUFFERS=65,0
FILES=160
DOS=UMB
LASTDRIVE=Z
FCBS=4,0
DEVICEHIGH /L:1,12048 =C:\DOS\SETVER.EXE
DEVICEHIGH /L:1,9072 =C:\DOS\ANSI.SYS
DOS=HIGH
DEVICEHIGH /L:1,28816 =C:\CDROM\GSCDROM.SYS /D:MSCD000 /V

Autoexec.bat=

prompt $p$g
echo off
SET PCTOOLS=C:\PCTOOLS\DATA
PATH = c:\bbsv6;C:\PCTOOLS;C:\DOS;C:\
LH /L:1,46336 3c90xpd.com
LH /L:1,27952 C:\CDROM\MSCDEX /D:MSCD000

Results in this memory layout=


Modules using memory below 1 MB:

Name Total = Conventional + Upper Memory
-------- ---------------- ---------------- ----------------
MSDOS 57,869 (57K) 57,869 (57K) 0 (0K)
HIMEM 1,120 (1K) 1,120 (1K) 0 (0K)
EMM386 4,144 (4K) 4,144 (4K) 0 (0K)
COMMAND 2,928 (3K) 2,928 (3K) 0 (0K)
SETVER 512 (1K) 0 (0K) 512 (1K)
ANSI 4,240 (4K) 0 (0K) 4,240 (4K)
GSCDROM 25,440 (25K) 0 (0K) 25,440 (25K)
3C90XPD 30,400 (30K) 0 (0K) 30,400 (30K)
MSCDEX 27,952 (27K) 0 (0K) 27,952 (27K)
Free 589,600 (576K) 589,168 (575K) 432 (0K)

Memory Summary:

Type of Memory Total = Used + Free
---------------- ---------- ---------- ----------
Conventional 655,360 66,192 589,168
Upper 88,976 88,544 432
Reserved 393,216 393,216 0
Extended (XMS) 15,639,664 238,704 15,400,960
Press any key to continue . . .
---------------- ---------- ---------- ----------
Total memory 16,777,216 786,656 15,990,560

Total under 1 MB 744,336 154,736 589,600

Largest executable program size 589,072 (575K)
Largest free upper memory block 288 (0K)
MS-DOS is resident in the high memory area.

[Stoneslinger76]

Secondly, I understand that there may be a User Guide for WG2 in PDF form floating around someplace, if someone has it or can provide a link, I would be immensely appreciative of that!


To all a great day!

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